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thekidd007
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 Posted - Mar 29 2010 : 2:29:11 PM
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| maybe bill-and maybe more so as it pertains to highschool ball. But that has a lot to do with the fact that HS ball (and the general skill drop-off from say "premier" or high level club ball) requires good players like LaBadia (and any really athletic player for that matter) to do more than just score. It seems like the higher level, the more the player is specialized to do a single job. Coaches wish ever player did everything but they don't. Hence, the reason Wayne Rooney is so special a player. I'm almost sure forwards like Ronaldo, Fernando Torres, Ibracadabra (cuz he's magic), or even on the other side of the ball Cananvaro, or Vidic etc.... have a single purpose on the pitch. |
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futbol3
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Posted - Mar 29 2010 : 5:35:17 PM
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| I completely agree with kidd. Therefore, I think LaBadia did his job, which on his team was, to score. He scored in all 3 sectional games and nearly every game leading up to it. |
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hottubtimemachine
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Posted - Mar 29 2010 : 7:01:32 PM
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| im sure every player has one job in a match, to win it. but within that task are multiple mini tasks which a player must succeed in. if you think wayne rooney's sole job is to score and vidic's sole job is to stop strikers from scoring, then thats just sad. maybe in rec soccer this is a reality, but in professional soccer...now thats just foolish. |
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futbol3
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Posted - Mar 29 2010 : 9:19:05 PM
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| And where would that place top players in the Colonial that are known to be very good, as compared to merely one player from the WAC? |
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thekidd007
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Posted - Mar 30 2010 : 08:29:27 AM
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I think you might have bacterial infection from being in the hot tub too long----read the post again and think instead of reacting, "Coaches wish ever player did everything but they don't. Hence, the reason Wayne Rooney is so special a player." meaning- he is unique or special in the sense that he does try to actually defend, track back etc......making him unlike players with a sole purpose like Ronaldo, Drogba, Messi. If Ronaldo didn't score goals would his coaches put him in defense? ManU actually changed their tactics for him because he can't defend (playing a 4-3-3 and putting JS Park or Fletcher behind him and culminating with him moving to striker in the CL final against Barca and putting Rooney out wide). It is trivial to say they have many mini jobs (like running, passing, heading). Answer this: what do players like the one's I've mentioned get payed for (and marketing doesn't count)? Also, I'm highlighting mostly forwards as we were discussing LaBadia but I think the point can apply too for defenders like Vidic, Terry and Cannavaro-are they getting payed to get forward?
Futbol3--what did you mean in your last post? Where would LaBadia fit into hierarchy of Colonial players? |
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billp79
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Posted - Mar 30 2010 : 2:58:35 PM
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Kidd (appropriate namesake- today)...
'It seems like the higher level, the more the player is specialized to do a single job.'
the coach in this situation is using you...or perhaps he thinks you can't handle more than one task.....
you would be wrong about the players you mentioned..they may have a primary task but to be special you need to multi-task...vidic scores goals...rooney (who has been employed also in midfield)defends...ronaldo (not a forward) wanders from side to side, front to back...etc.
If you don't think about doing everything...the coach might find someone who does...at any level....its just a matter of availability of choice...which is why the 'total' system is so effective....more choices.
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futbol3
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Posted - Mar 30 2010 : 11:30:45 PM
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| Messi has been called the spark which is clearly true, but the same name should be applied for Ronaldo. On Man U he was an essential part of Man U's offense, whether he was scoring, passing, dribbling or just disorienting defenders. And, I was wondering where you think LaBadia would fit in comparison to Colonial players? I hear alot of talk about LaBadia, and he obviously backs it up, but how well? |
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billp79
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Posted - Mar 31 2010 : 08:14:17 AM
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| a good soup de jour can cover up the mouth stench of a bad appitizer can't it kidd? |
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thekidd007
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Posted - Mar 31 2010 : 09:09:52 AM
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Theoldd-you're right, I'm almost positive Pellegrini and the RM coaching staff have been getting on CR9 about getting back to defend.
I think LaBadia would probably be in the upper eschilon of Colonial players. But Matt Williams was MVP and his team didn't do so well. |
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hottubtimemachine
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Posted - Mar 31 2010 : 3:19:23 PM
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billp, i would like to put forth a notion that we ignore thebabyys future comments regarding this topic for he clearly does not understand nor comprehend the true meaning of the word "player." he does not know how to spell the words kid or paid, so he therefore lacks the intelligence to debate the topic. furthermore, i fail to understand what it is you mean by "bacterial infection." bacterial infections do not affect thought patterns, but clearly something is affecting your thought patterns, for they lack the common knowledge and intelligence of a "kid." therefore, i dub thee "thebabyy007."
on a different note, in response to your question, these players get PAID (note spelling) to play the game of soccer. sure, the main job of a defender is to defend, but their overall understanding and ability to play the game earns them the money that they make. they play with a purpose. they do not run around the field aimlessly trying to defend. heres a question for you; if the purpose of a defender is to defend, what happens when he/she succeeds in doing so? in other words, what happens AFTER the player wins the ball? ill be glad to answer that question for you; the defender, disregarding his/her own title, proceeds to ATTACK! shocking, i know. |
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billp79
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Posted - Apr 01 2010 : 1:06:41 PM
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so if you don't get paid... you have an excuse for playing poorly?
not hardly
your on your own from here on out...tubby
and as for you kidd....you should respect your elders and the older the more respect is deemed necessary.....so be kind to TDA. |
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Sparky
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Posted - Apr 01 2010 : 11:03:45 PM
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Tub...those that live in glass houses should avoid throwing stones. Affect and effect are both words but with different meanings. You might want to research the two. However, "affecting" might be pushing the literary liberty practiced by Mark Twain a bit far. Also...there are bacterial infections that do negatively effect thought patterns. Keepers often initiate the first play of the attack and make the last save on defense. I think we would all agree that the players on the field play multiple roles and fill the holes as needed. I apologize in advance for any words that aren't used or spelled correctly.
Looking forward to a great year in the Colonial and Section II. It is going to be another nail biter. Affectionately Yours....Sparky |
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hottubtimemachine
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Posted - Apr 04 2010 : 4:58:30 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky
Tub...those that live in glass houses should avoid throwing stones. Affect and effect are both words but with different meanings. You might want to research the two. However, "affecting" might be pushing the literary liberty practiced by Mark Twain a bit far. Also...there are bacterial infections that do negatively effect thought patterns. Keepers often initiate the first play of the attack and make the last save on defense. I think we would all agree that the players on the field play multiple roles and fill the holes as needed. I apologize in advance for any words that aren't used or spelled correctly.
Looking forward to a great year in the Colonial and Section II. It is going to be another nail biter. Affectionately Yours....Sparky
i used the word "affect" as in "to have an influence on." "bacterial infections do not affect thought patterns..." if i said bacterial infections have no affect on thought patterns, then i would be using it incorrectly. and i never used the word affecting, which means you misquoted me. a terrible thing to do. shame on you.
so, since this topic is titled "Colonial next year," and the topic we are discussing is proper grammar, i think that its fair to say that we are drifting away from the topic just a bit here. so im going to go out on the limb here and say that crane will win it all. maybe that will spark some relevant discussion, eh sparky?
p.s. thanks for the support bill p |
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billp79
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Posted - Apr 08 2010 : 3:20:36 PM
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| no problem- let me know when you get the green stains out of your hot tub |
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billp79
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Posted - May 06 2010 : 11:48:08 AM
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Deja Moo
I get the feeling I've heard this before....
sorry- took a sabatacal....apparently so did the editors.
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billp79
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Posted - May 08 2010 : 09:56:56 AM
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sorry editors- ruining the expression..
(by editing my post- while allowing their log in name) won't cut it...
esp. when their log in name is expressedly personal....
and no soccer content in the post....I suggest you review your policies...
Bullp
EDITOR'S NOTE: HAPPY
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billp79
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Posted - May 08 2010 : 11:05:16 AM
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| yes- you can go back to sleep now...wake me when Return of the Empires comes on...next month |
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billp79
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Posted - May 09 2010 : 08:32:12 AM
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just to get the thread back on track...
I think maybe;
Vhoors
Schalmont
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Rider11
Ichabod Crane
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Posted - May 11 2010 : 2:33:47 PM
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Originally posted by billp79
just to get the thread back on track...
I think maybe;
Vhoors
Schalmont
ICC
I think Mhaple Hill will take it |
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billp79
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Posted - May 17 2010 : 5:17:24 PM
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| its that lack of originality and authenticity which will hold your team down |
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